00:00:00: Introduction
00:02:00: When Jodie did PodPlus
00:02:44: Introducing Jodie
00:03:53: Your model of success
00:05:15: Ace playing cards
00:09:50: Jodie’s private success system
00:13:51: Inquiries to create your personal success system
00:23:19: Additional suggestions from Jodie
00:26:54: Coping with failure
00:30:21: Not alienating others
00:32:37: Jodie’s profession recommendation
00:33:18: Closing ideas
Helen Tupper: Hello, I am Helen Tupper and that is the Squiggly Careers podcast, a weekly present the place we discuss concerning the ins and outs of labor, talk about a number of the matters which might be on individuals’s thoughts and offer you some instruments, questions and help that can assist you really feel a bit extra in charge of your profession growth and a bit extra assured concerning the actions that you simply take. At present, I am not joined by Sarah, my regular co-host, I am really going to be joined by Jodie Cook dinner, who’s a long-time pal and anyone whose work I’ve adopted and I’ve discovered actually, actually useful. So, I am hoping it should do the identical for you too, as a result of the subject we’ll speak about is success; not all the time a simple one, I feel one that may typically appear a bit shiny, a bit alienating. Â
However what I like about Jodie is she makes it actually, actually sensible for individuals to consider, “Effectively what does success imply to me? And the way can I design my growth and handle my profession in a means that signifies that I am extra prone to obtain the issues that I need to?” So, you will hear Jodie’s opinions on success; she is going to discuss by way of this concept of ace playing cards that I actually like, enthusiastic about your super-strengths and the way you deliver them to life; after which we’ll get into, how do you design and make use of your personal success system? And it is a means of taking a look at what you’ve got achieved to date in your profession and utilizing a few of that perception that can assist you with what you may need to do sooner or later. So, heaps and plenty of sensible instruments, insights, tales and examples that can assist you. I feel we should always simply get began. Jodie, welcome to the Squiggly Careers podcast.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, excited to be right here.
Helen Tupper: I really feel prefer it’s been a very long time within the making. Â We have identified one another for ages and I feel we have been simply looking for the best second so that you can come and share your knowledge with all of our pretty listeners.
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, for positive. Yeah, it needed to be the best second, the best matter. You’ve got been on my imaginative and prescient board since 2022, so it is very enjoyable to be sitting right here speaking to you about these things proper now.
Helen Tupper: You realize, we did PodPlus collectively, which a few of our listeners can have been at and plenty of them will not have, as a result of Jodie was in London, and I used to be like, “Come on to PodPlus”, and we ended up taking place a dialogue round success, which our PodPlus group completely cherished. I had so many messages afterwards going, “Jodie’s wonderful, that was actually useful”.  And so, I feel I used to be like, “That is the factor”, we’ll assist individuals discuss virtually about what success means and the way we will design our work round success, and listen to a few of your tales alongside the best way.Â
So, I am acutely aware a lot of individuals do not know who you’re, so possibly in a nutshell, who’s Jodie, what do you do and the place does this, I do not know, this sort of concentrate on success come into it?
Jodie Cook dinner: Oh my goodness, good query, who am I? So, I first entered the world of enterprise at 22 once I began my first enterprise; it was a social media company. I constructed it and offered it ten years later, after which wrote a e book referred to as Ten 12 months Profession about that have, and through that point made a ton of errors, but in addition created a enterprise that ran with out me that had a workforce of 20 individuals. Â
And whereas I used to be doing that, I travelled the world, labored from about 30 completely different cities, began competing internationally in powerlifting, after which took a little bit of a profession break, I might name it, the place I ran a lot of experiments for 2 years, after which a 12 months in the past began a brand new enterprise. So, there’s a lot of completely different classes and milestones in there. However I’m very, I’ll use the phrase ‘obsessed’ with success as a subject. Â
And simply to caveat that, I do not imply success like, I feel it is very subjective, and I feel it is very completely different throughout completely different individuals. Â So, at any time when I say success, I imply your model of success. Â However one among my favorite issues to do is assist individuals discover their model of success, after which assist them use their superpowers to create it in their very own lives.
Helen Tupper: And so, on that time, “Create your model of success, use your superpowers to make it occur”, does that imply then that for you, it isn’t, you’re or aren’t a profitable individual, so it isn’t like it’s a trait, it’s innate, I’m or I’m not; for you, success and the flexibility to realize the issues that you simply need to is extra of a expertise, like that may be a learnable factor, we will study to achieve success?
Jodie Cook dinner: Very a lot so, I feel you’ll be able to study to achieve success. I feel the very first thing, in all probability 80% of it, is defining what success even appears like, as a result of it should look utterly completely different for you than different individuals, after which I feel you’ll be able to work in the direction of it. One massive lesson I really feel like I’ve discovered is that I’ll by no means underestimate the depth required to do one thing effectively.  And I feel what occurs is in case you do underestimate the depth required to do one thing effectively, you see another person doing one thing and also you assume, “Oh, they should have this innate capacity to do it [or] they’re simply gifted [or] it is simply their genetics”, and actually it is simply, no, they simply work freaking arduous to get there.Â
So, I feel it is extra liberating to understand that it’s a factor that you could work on that you could get higher at, as a result of then you do not see different individuals as these superhuman individuals with these abilities and expertise that they have been born with, you see it as like, “No, if they’ll do it, I can do it too, however I can do it with my very own model of success, no matter that’s”.
Helen Tupper: And I suppose I am simply making an attempt to assume, different individuals have gotten benefits that I have not. They have an schooling benefit or they have an entire load of privileges and benefits that it is simpler for that individual to achieve success than it’s for me. What’s your tackle that?
Jodie Cook dinner: I feel this hyperlinks to one thing I take into consideration quite a bit, which is ace playing cards. I feel different individuals make it look straightforward as a result of they’re merely enjoying their ace playing cards. They came upon what they’re and they’re utilizing them.  However in case you do not discover your personal ace playing cards, you are in all probability trapped on this comparability. You realize at school, we have been simply taught in topics, however not everyone seems to be gifted in topics.  So, if somebody occurs to be excellent at maths, then that is perhaps an ace card of theirs; however in case you’re making an attempt to be good at maths and it isn’t one among your ace playing cards, then you are going to be like, “Oh, I am a failure”, otherwise you’re simply going to assume you’ll be able to’t do it, after which you are going to assume another person is basically good at maths and, “I am not, due to this fact I am going to by no means succeed”.  However yours may simply be one thing else.  So then, I really feel like in case you establish an ace card, you’ll be able to engineer all the pieces you do to make use of that ace card extra.
 As a result of I feel you are comparable, proper, and also you have been simply saying with you and Sarah, you’ve gotten completely different ace playing cards, so that you spend your energies in numerous methods and that grows the enterprise collectively.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, and I feel that is really a very fascinating level round workforce ace playing cards. Â So, I suppose the questions which might be in my thoughts are, how does a person establish their ace playing cards? Â Some individuals may understand it and a few individuals may want some assist with it.
 After which I am considering, “If you’re people in a workforce and also you share your ace playing cards –” are you aware what it makes me take into consideration? You realize these playing cards, that card sport the place you set all of them collectively in like, you set two playing cards in a tower after which you find yourself with a much bigger tower as a result of I am considering they’re all little ace playing cards going collectively?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, yeah.
Helen Tupper: However in idea, if everybody is aware of their ace playing cards and everybody places them collectively, theoretically the workforce is larger, higher and stronger, except there is a little bit of competing with the ace playing cards happening.
Jodie Cook dinner: I feel it is fascinating in a workforce sense. So, my operations supervisor, Joanna, we have labored collectively for a really very long time.  Now we have utterly completely different ace playing cards, virtually the opposite finish of the spectrum ace playing cards. And do you ever bear in mind Mr Muscle; he loves the roles you hate?
Helen Tupper: Sure!
Jodie Cook dinner: That is precisely what it’s, however there may be somebody on the market who loves the roles you hate, and that is as a result of their ace playing cards are completely different to your ace playing cards. However I feel speaking about it along with your workforce is a very massive factor. I really feel like one other means of discovering your ace playing cards is, take into consideration the insults you’ve got had prior to now.
Helen Tupper: That is hilarious! Â Okay, preserve going.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, Melissa is a pal who’s not too long ago began her personal enterprise, and one of many issues that her outdated office used to say to her, there was somebody in her outdated workforce who used to name her, “Mel who does probably the most”.  And she or he mentioned it as like, “Oh, why are you doing this? Why are you entering into over and above, you goody two-shoes?” kind factor.  It was type of an insult.  However when she talked to me about it, I used to be like, “Hell, yeah, Mel who does probably the most?  Yeah, you’re Mel who does probably the most, and that is why you are smashing all of the targets, that is why you are beginning your personal enterprise, that is why you are doing one thing, as a result of that is your factor”, and I had it myself. A pal of a pal as soon as referred to as me ‘intense’ and I used to be like, “No, am I? That is horrible”.  However then I used to be like, “Hell, yeah, I am intense, that is nice!”
So it is like, you consider the insults you’ve got had that different individuals are throwing at you, and primarily they’re throwing these insults at you as a result of they can’t deal with your bigness, the house you take up. They can not deal with it, in order that they need to try to deliver you down. However they’re the sources of your ace playing cards, as a result of your depth, your work capability, no matter it’s, it is like that is the factor that makes you you.
Helen Tupper: I bear in mind a really senior individual saying to me earlier on in my profession that I got here throughout as an enthusiastic pet canine.
Jodie Cook dinner: Sure!
Helen Tupper: And it is as a result of I get so enthusiastic about issues. I am like, “Sure, sure, sure, let’s do this, let’s make it occur!” and I can see it. On the time, I feel I in all probability spent about 18 months after that making an attempt to tone that down, as a result of I used to be like, “Oh, this clearly is not welcomed. I have to be extra critical and this isn’t welcomed”. And on reflection now, I feel that’s really a part of my ace card, like that enthusiasm and vitality to get issues going is a part of my ace card. But it surely simply wasn’t proper for that function or that exact context in that firm. And so, I feel possibly when your ace card, it is also simpler so that you can discover match, proper, since you need to work with individuals and in locations the place you get to play that card?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, it is by no means, “Play it down”, it is by no means, “Tone your self down”, it is all the time, “Be extra you”.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, “Be extra you”, adore it. The enthusiastic pet canine is launched now onto the world within the type of Squiggly Careers vitality! So, let’s speak about a course of then.  So, I suppose maybe a part of the method of considering, “How do I create the success that I would like for myself in my profession?” a part of it’s probably, know what ace playing cards you’ve got obtained. What follows that then? Perhaps I do know what that’s, how do I design my work, handle my profession in a means that’s extra prone to result in success?
Jodie Cook dinner: I consider that everybody has a private success system. No two success techniques are the identical, however as soon as you discover yours, you’ll be able to apply it to each space of your life and you’ll obtain something you need. And I see this time and time once more.
Helen Tupper: It is a massive promise, Jodie!
Jodie Cook dinner: It is so there, however I really feel like when you’re tuned into it, you’ll discover it in all places. So, billionaires have success techniques. Jeff Bezos has a hit system as a result of each thought he had or had when he was working Amazon, he would write a press launch about it, ship it to a subsection of his record. If it obtained curiosity, he would construct it and he would not care if he needed to kill it, as a result of that was simply his success system, he saved it going.  And so, that is the system that allowed him to create a lot of completely different successes, like Kindle and the merchandise we all know and love, and likewise the failures that we have in all probability forgotten about.
Helen Tupper: So, on condition that ‘intense’ is possibly one among your ace playing cards, what’s your success system?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, so mine’s obtained six very particular phases. So firstly, I’ll set the intention.  So, I simply determine that I need to do one thing and I make it very clear, like I write it down and I say, “That is what I need to do”. The second factor I’ll do is I’ll converse to individuals who have achieved it, and that is so vital, as a result of how I finest study is by chatting with somebody who’s achieved the factor and simply speaking to them about how they’ve achieved the factor.  After which, I’ll flip these conversations, in all probability a number of individuals, flip these a number of conversations right into a plan. For me, what works is splitting down this plan into one thing I can do each single day. So, it is perhaps half-hour a day or 90 minutes a day, however each single day.  And I actually like the concept of stringing good days collectively and never skipping a day. After which after that, I’ll visualise it.  So, I am going to shut my eyes and picture one thing coming true, or that success I’ve obtained in thoughts really taking place.
So, once I offered my company, earlier than I offered my company, I wrote myself a faux cheque, and it was how a lot I wished to promote for, it was the date I wished to promote, it was from the right purchaser, and it was what was it for. And it was like, I felt in my physique it coming true. I type of imagined the individual I might be who obtained the information that we had now offered.  After which my step six is, simply persist. So, just like the pet that you simply talked about earlier, it is that pet mentality of simply preserve going.  And if I look again, I first assume I did this once I offered my company.  However then once I realised that was my success system, I utilized it to writing a e book and getting a mainstream writer. However then, just about all the pieces I’ve achieved, it is adopted that actual course of. So now, I really feel like all the pieces sooner or later is type of easy as a result of it is like, “Oh, I simply have to observe these six steps and now I can do something”, which supplies you this new sense of confidence that you could simply conquer the world.
Helen Tupper: So, you’ll be able to retrospectively look again on the successes that you have had and use that to decode your success system, after which you’ll be able to proactively apply that to issues that you simply need to do sooner or later in order that your actions usually tend to result in success?
Jodie Cook dinner: Precisely. Have a look at what you’ve got achieved prior to now, the issues that meant probably the most to you, the issues that you’re actually fairly happy with, after which dig into the place have been you whenever you had that information, what did you do, what have been the actions you took, who have been the those that have been round you? You may discover that your success, each success you’ve got ever had, may all the time contain one place or one individual or one scenario or one mind-set or working. There will probably be patterns, and in case you discover the patterns, you’ll be able to put that down right into a five- or six-step course of. After which, yeah, precisely that, you’ll be able to apply it going ahead and it’ll work.
Helen Tupper: So, I’m wondering in case you can ask me some questions that may assist me to establish my success system; and that these questions, different individuals can apply to their previous experiences? So, I am placing you on the spot, however you ask me questions that may assist me stay create my success system. After which I’ll kind these questions up, I’ll put them within the PodSheet so that folks, after they’ve listened in the present day, they’ll undergo these questions they usually can have a look at Jodie’s success system and apply it to their very own expertise. So, it is placing us each on the spot, as a result of I’ll need to share brazenly —
Jodie Cook dinner: Let’s go!
Helen Tupper: — and you are going to need to ask the questions.  However you are good, what did you say, like, going stay? Jodie’s nice when she goes stay. So, that is Jodie going stay. All proper, assist me.
Jodie Cook dinner: Let’s take a look at that!
Helen Tupper: What’s my success system?
Jodie Cook dinner: So, with out considering an excessive amount of, inform me concerning the factor that you have achieved that you simply’re most happy with in your profession?
Helen Tupper: I’m most happy with only one factor. There’s a great deal of issues, however I am actually happy with making the transfer from a company profession to working my very own enterprise, as a result of that was, I type of needed to depart my id behind as a company individual, and that was like a reputational danger.  There was additionally monetary danger, and I wasn’t introduced up in an setting the place individuals did that, .  My household labored for corporations and that is what they did, they did not run companies. So, the making that leap of doing one thing fairly troublesome and turning it into what it is develop into, I am actually happy with.
Jodie Cook dinner: What was the catalyst for that change?
Helen Tupper: It was trying right into a future that did not really feel very interesting, however on the floor appeared actually wonderful. Â However I used to be like, “Oh, really, if I keep right here, that is what this can seem like, and it ought to really feel wonderful, but it surely simply would not”, and feeling like, “I’ve extra potential to offer, and I would like the liberty to have the ability to do this”.
Jodie Cook dinner: Was there something that occurred that provoked the motion? So, if that was the catalyst that created the thought, what was the transfer that created the motion?
Helen Tupper: Two issues: a e book deal from Penguin, and realising that really I wanted to make some selections, as a result of this was a brand new factor, and if I wished to do it, I wanted to make selections; and my youngsters have been at an age the place my work was having an impression on spending time with them, which it all the time would. I wasn’t anti that, however what I wished to really feel was that it was value it; the time spent on my work was value it, on condition that was time that I wasn’t going to be spending with my youngsters. These two issues, I feel, have been fairly pivotal.
Jodie Cook dinner: Firstly, do you know that it could probably be a hit from the beginning? And in case you did, what gave you the inkling that it could?
Helen Tupper: No, I didn’t know it could be a hit. I believed I must do another issues on the similar time so as to have the ability to do the factor that I cherished and afford to do it. So, no, I didn’t know. I did not begin going, “That is going to achieve success”. I began going, “That is one thing I need to do, and if I do not do it now, then what else am I ready for?”
Jodie Cook dinner: And who did you discuss to about probably making the transfer?
Helen Tupper: I talked to mates who all have been like, “That makes full sense”. I talked to my supervisor who mentioned, “Attention-grabbing, however can we speak about how that is going to occur? Do not go but”. And I talked to my husband who was additionally like, “Attention-grabbing, we have got a mortgage to pay”! So, there have been varied ranges of problem in speaking it.
Jodie Cook dinner: After which, whenever you had determined that you simply have been going to do it, how did that play out in your actions?
Helen Tupper: As soon as I would determined, a previous sample of my behaviour is, as soon as I’ve determined, I am laser targeted on making it occur. So, I feel as soon as I’ve obtained over, “Ought to I, should not I, there is a little bit of danger right here, chat to a couple individuals”, I made a decision I used to be going to do it after which nothing, no different noise is round that call. I am very like, “I do know what I am doing, I do know what date I’ll do it, this can occur”, from that time.
Jodie Cook dinner: How rapidly did you are taking motion?
Helen Tupper: Actually rapidly. I feel I had these conversations all inside per week of one another. As soon as it is in my head, I’ve obtained to get it out. So, I had all these conversations inside per week of one another, then I handed my discover in. I had an extended discover interval, however within the background I used to be constructing it up in order that on the day that I formally left, it was already transferring, it was already momentum with it.
Jodie Cook dinner: After which, what was the primary milestone or stage the place you have been reassured that you simply’d make the best alternative?
Helen Tupper: It is an important query! Day two of working full-time by myself. Day one, I sat there being like, “There’s nothing in my diary. What do I do? I’ve had years of issues being in my diary. There’s nothing in my diary”. After which day two, we had a dialog with anyone who labored for a really massive organisation. We ended up pitching, successful, and working profession growth coaching for everyone in that organisation over an 18-month interval. And that was a day-two dialog.
Jodie Cook dinner: Did that flip right into a programme that you simply delivered repeatedly?
Helen Tupper: Sure. Yeah, completely.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, if we go proper again to the beginning, I really feel like there’s extra at the beginning. So, we have got, “As a result of the children have been on the proper age”; we have got, “Due to the Penguin e book deal”; was there something — was it the Penguin e book deal? Yeah?
Helen Tupper: Effectively, I used to be additionally supplied a possibility internally that was a type of perfect-on-paper type of place. And I believed, “If that is not what you need, what would you like?” There have been these three issues. There was like, “You are being given this wonderful alternative right here and one thing’s not fairly clicking; you have to prioritise since you’ve now obtained one other factor in your plate; and also you need to take into consideration what are you speaking to your youngsters concerning the work that you simply’re doing”. It was these three issues that got here collectively that was a little bit of a tipping level in my decision-making.
Jodie Cook dinner: Good. I like that there is a component of legacy in there, enthusiastic about that from the start. So, within the theme of You Coach You, is there something that you have mentioned that is made you assume, “Oh, yeah, that may be a key level”, and probably that is one thing that you have achieved elsewhere as effectively in one thing else that you have achieved, possibly within the best-selling e book factor or possibly the wonderful podcast factor; are you able to see any patterns from you speaking it by way of?
Helen Tupper: That after I’ve decided there, I am going after it in a really pushed and decided means. I would hover a little bit bit, I would seek the advice of a little bit bit across the resolution, however as soon as I’ve gone by way of that issue and decided, drive follows it, a whole lot of drive follows it.
Jodie Cook dinner: So, I feel there’s a system right here. Do you’re feeling like there is a system?
Helen Tupper: Yeah, I feel issue, resolution, and drive equals success to me. So, there’s some type of like, “Oh, it is a difficult factor, it would not really feel fairly proper, I am undecided that is how I would like it”. There’s like this troublesome second, after which I’m good at then making a call, “That is what I’ll do”. After which, as soon as that call has been made, principally an entire load of drive, vitality. You realize the ace-card factor you talked about earlier, I feel that’s the place that then goes into full, I do not know, full vitality goes into that, pet canine is launched at that second and makes that factor occur.Â
So, I’m wondering, by myself reflections, I’m wondering if the educational for me is definitely, these moments of issue, when it isn’t fairly clicking, different individuals may really feel a bit disenchanted or disillusioned or demotivated by that, however I suppose recognising the success system, as you’ve got type of obtained me to, makes me assume, “Oh, no, for me, really these moments of issue are what in the end allows me to get to success, as a result of I do know it is troublesome, I decide after which drive follows it after which I get to the result”, is probably the place I am attending to within the dialog.
Jodie Cook dinner: I feel the beginning of it is actually highly effective, particularly if it does begin with issue or adversity of some sort, as a result of that is highly effective as a result of something that comes up sooner or later, if to recognise that as, “Oh, one thing good goes to occur now”, then you’ll be able to’t be swayed, you’ll be able to’t be thrown off monitor, since you’ll simply see a problem and you will be like, “Proper, I’ll make some strikes now”. Has that proven up anyplace else?
Helen Tupper: What, issue driving success?
Jodie Cook dinner: Sure.
Helen Tupper: Oh, yeah, completely. We had issues with the acquisition of our second e book that then led to, “Okay, that is what we’ll do”.  After which, all of my vitality went into making that call occur and attending to an excellent consequence. I feel issue creates one thing for me to resolve typically, and that is in all probability the opposite factor that I am good at, is fixing stuff rapidly. And so, possibly it is a bit of a type of magnet for my success, is when stuff feels arduous or it is going mistaken. It simply offers me an opportunity to play the ace playing cards.
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, and that is why it is so private, as a result of not everybody does thrive from that. Â Some individuals would not begin off an entire profitable system from adversity or issue. Â So, we have got that taking place, then we have got you principally rolling with an thought, setting a deadline, having quick execution and with the ability to activate pet mode and simply go.
Helen Tupper: Yeah, activate pet mode! It’s actually fascinating what’s coming from our chat, , that entire level of observe the insults and replicate on the energy that you’ve got inside that, fairly than enjoying it small; replicate in your experiences and the patterns of your success; after which type of put these issues collectively, like you speak about superpowers, put the strengths, put the patterns collectively, after which see what that system appears like for you, and understanding that everybody’s system is completely different. I feel it is a actually highly effective, reflective course of.Â
You are clearly super-skilled at it, in listening to me and asking me questions. Is it so simple as taking a few of these questions and folks simply asking them of themselves? Have you ever obtained another suggestions for serving to individuals to assume by way of their success system?
Jodie Cook dinner: Positively asking your self these questions, undoubtedly journalling. I feel additionally, taking the strain off discovering it right away. I feel you are not going to only provide you with it, after which swiftly it is going to make sense and you are going to have the ability to apply it to all the pieces and apply it to all the pieces going ahead. It is virtually recognising that the very first thing you set ahead is a idea and also you’re simply seeing if the idea is true with no strain for it to be.Â
However I feel writing down a draft to begin with is certainly the primary half. Present different individuals, different individuals who have shared in your success, possibly it was an organization success that somebody in your workforce was concerned in, present them and say, “That is I feel the system that I adopted to make this occur, are there any elements I am lacking?” as a result of that is so massive.  We underplay, when one thing feels straightforward to you, so that you underplay the problem of it, however actually another person will probably be like, “No, that was actually troublesome and also you smashed that, that is undoubtedly part of your success system”. So, having the back-and-forth dialogue I feel is basically helpful as effectively. Similar with ace playing cards.  I feel if somebody’s considering, “Oh, what are my ace playing cards?” ask different individuals. Ask three mates. We did this train in a coaching a few weeks in the past, the place I wrote a message that somebody may ship to 3 individuals to say, “Hey, I am on a coaching proper now.Â
I have been tasked to provide you with my ace playing cards. Are you able to consider expertise that I’ve that I am probably not utilizing or not maximising?” And your true mates will let you know, your true mates who need you to be the perfect model of you, will say, “Oh, yeah, you are actually good at this and I do not assume you make sufficient of it”, and then you definately’re like, “Cool, possibly that is my ace card”. So, each of these issues; discuss to individuals.
Helen Tupper: There is a good construct on, we do an train once we’re doing strengths typically the place we get individuals to message in WhatsApp, as a result of it is typically the quickest means of doing it, however like, “What strengths am I utilizing whenever you see me at my finest?” However I just like the one that you’ve there which is, “What do you assume I am good at that I am not utilizing as a lot as I may?” I wonder if it could result in barely completely different solutions to offer those that permission to share that with you.
Jodie Cook dinner: And particularly in case you’ve obtained a very good relationship with somebody and you’ll type of name them out on issues, as a result of a pal, he was in my coaching after which he despatched me the message about what his ace playing cards are, after which I instructed him what I believed they have been.  After which he mentioned, “How do you assume I am not utilizing them, or how do you assume I am lacking out one thing?”Â
And I mentioned, “You are expert in any respect this stuff, and it could lend themselves very well to having an excellent on-line presence. Do you assume your on-line presence is reflective of your ace playing cards?” And he is like, “No, as a result of if I am handsome, if I am good on digicam, if I am good at articulating, if I’ve obtained an excellent offline community, then yeah, possibly I ought to be doing that”. And so, you are simply planting the seeds in individuals’s heads that they may probably prepare dinner up a special cake with their components.
Helen Tupper: I need to come again to one thing you mentioned about Jeff Bezos, which I do not know the way typically you get requested that query. However you mentioned, he type of put his concepts out and principally noticed what took off, and a few of these we now know as services and a few of them we do not, as a result of they have been failures that in a short time get forgotten. And so, I simply need to speak about failure for a second. I am a bit acutely aware about speaking about failure, as a result of I noticed this actually humorous LinkedIn put up within the week from a girl referred to as Amy who principally mentioned, “Will individuals cease speaking about how failure results in success, as a result of it is actually tacky and it is actually annoying and failure typically feels actually arduous”. However I need to get your ideas on, “Does having a hit system imply that we all the time succeed? And if failure remains to be a actuality, how will we take care of it when it occurs?”
Jodie Cook dinner: I simply do not assume that resilient individuals ever assume they’ve failed. I simply do not assume that is how they see it. I really feel like that is one thing that the media possibly glamourises. So that you may say, “Oh, this actor, they failed, or this pop star, they failed, or this politician, they failed”, and we’d say, “Oh, that was a giant failure”.  However they’d in all probability say one thing completely different.  Like, in case you mentioned to any given disgraced politician, “Was {that a} massive failure?” they’d be like, “Oh, I simply mentioned a couple of issues I should not, however really I did not need that job anyway and now I’ve obtained a significantly better life and I am doing this and I am consulting and I am doing…”  They would not even say, “Oh, sure, I failed”.  It is simply in all probability a label that different individuals use greater than you employ, and I feel enterprise leaders, it is the identical.  Except somebody died, they’re going to in all probability all the time say, “It was for the perfect”, as a result of that is of their nature. They’re optimistic, they’ll transfer previous one thing, they are often resourceful. There is a phrase that I take into consideration rather a lot that is, “Pessimists get confirmed proper, however optimists get wealthy”!
Helen Tupper: Why does that assertion, that imply one thing to you?
Jodie Cook dinner: As a result of in case you’re like, “Oh, okay, yeah, I failed, I am a failure, that actually dangerous factor occurred”, then yeah, you’re. However in case you simply assume, “This factor occurred and I can transfer previous it and I can simply study from it, and truly it’s for the perfect, as a result of now one thing higher can come alongside and it is freed up the house for one thing higher to return alongside”, then you definately’re extra of an optimist and that is only a higher place to be for everybody.
Helen Tupper: It is like that that assertion, “Whether or not you assume you’ll be able to otherwise you assume you’ll be able to’t, you are in all probability proper”. It all the time makes me take into consideration how I strategy tasks from the outset. Are you approaching it with a think-you-can or a think-you-can’t mindset, as a result of that may inform what follows?
Jodie Cook dinner: Perhaps the query simply, “Says who?” So, “Oh, it is a failure”, “Says who? Effectively, I am not calling it a failure, so are you calling it a failure?” It simply would not matter, solely you’ll be able to determine. And in case you say, “It is not a failure, it was really the perfect factor that might have ever occurred”, then it isn’t and it is okay.
Helen Tupper: So, do not over-identify with the phrase principally, what does failure actually imply for anybody anyway?
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, however then additionally it is simply made me consider another person’s success system, and that is Sarah Blakely, the Spanx founder.  And from childhood, she would sit across the kitchen desk and her dad would say to her, “Did you fail in the present day?  Inform me the way you failed in the present day?”  And so, he reframed failure as a very good factor, as a result of he was like, “Effectively, if you are going to make requests, you are going to get rejected, in order that is perhaps seen as a failure, however I would like you to maneuver in the direction of these”. And so, that led to her arising along with her invention, knocking on door after door of all of the suppliers and finally getting the provider that may change her total profession and make her a billionaire as effectively. So, there’s simply so many alternative methods of taking a look at it.
Helen Tupper: One final query round, how do I keep my concentrate on success in a means that does not alienate individuals that may not have the identical concentrate on it?
Jodie Cook dinner: I feel the truth is you in all probability will alienate individuals, as a result of if somebody would not have a stage of ambition for his or her life as you’ve gotten for yours, then you definately in all probability are finally going to float aside, and possibly that is okay. I feel in case you have a look at the alternative of that, the primary scenario is you develop into the perfect model of you, you outline your model of success, you progress in the direction of it, you help different individuals in their very own variations of success, since you’re so proud of yours that you could respect you are not competing with anybody, you are in your path, they’re on theirs, you help them.Â
The other of that’s that you simply dumb your self down, make your self small, take up much less house, be much less pet canine or use your ace playing cards much less or use your success system much less as a way to, what, not really feel lonely, have extra in widespread? I feel that may be a horrible existence. I feel you’ll really feel extra lonely since you’d really feel such as you have been a smaller model of you. I feel you’d have remorse and I feel that it could find yourself not being excellent. So, I feel the alternative of that’s one of the best ways ahead.
Helen Tupper: So, do not make your self smaller as a way to make different individuals really feel higher; outline your success system and simply go after it?
Jodie Cook dinner: I feel so.  I simply assume it isn’t about you.  If somebody cannot deal with you in your largest model, it isn’t you, you do not have to vary something, they need to. All the things’s a mirror.  They’re seeing one thing that they can’t see in themselves, in order that they really feel threatened.  So, they really feel like they need to, I do not know, lash out, be offended, put you down, try to take you off your excessive horse or wherever they really feel like you’re, but it surely’s undoubtedly not your drawback to take care of.
Helen Tupper: I like that, and I feel that is a very nice finish for individuals, as a result of I hear quite a bit from individuals who, they’ve ambitions they usually have vitality, however they really feel like they need to typically cover or modify that, as a result of they are not essentially in an setting the place that’s inspired. And so, I feel it is a good, it is a pretty, it is a very sensible course of that folks can undergo, however I feel it is a pretty message to finish with. However I need to ask you, I did say that was the final query, I lied; yet one more query. Your finest piece of profession recommendation, Jodie, for our listeners, which could transcend success, it is fully as much as you, however just a bit final little bit of knowledge to share with our listeners.
Jodie Cook dinner: Cease asking for permission. Everybody else is making it up and meaning that you could too. You do not want anybody else’s approval to do something, you do not want anybody else to allow you to in. There’s loads of sources, individuals, platforms, all the pieces on the market so that you can construct your personal home as an alternative of knocking on doorways on a regular basis.  And anybody can do it, they simply want to begin.
Helen Tupper: Wonderful. So, the place can individuals go to for some extra inspiration from Jodie after this dialog?
Jodie Cook dinner: Effectively, I weblog quite a bit from jodiecook.com, after which I am very lively on LinkedIn. So, in case you search me there and say, “Hey!” I might love to listen to from anybody who’s listened to this, who has ideas.  Positively inform me your success system in case you’ve provide you with it, and if you wish to run it by me, I might like to see that.  I stay and breathe these things; it is super-interesting.
Helen Tupper: And Jodie, I noticed on LinkedIn, you simply handed a giant follower milestone as effectively. Â You have been reintroducing your self to your 1000’s and 1000’s of followers.
Jodie Cook dinner: Yeah, yeah, that was enjoyable to do. Â Yeah, I imply I’ve put LinkedIn as one thing I am very targeted on proper now. Â I am following my very own success system with constructing it up, and it is working but it surely’s enjoyable, as a result of it means I get to fulfill all these wonderful individuals from all world wide. Â And particularly whenever you recover from the preliminary hurdle of exhibiting up on-line and being like, “Oh my goodness, who does she assume she is?” to it being a really enjoyable place to hang around, and also you type of get pleasure from exhibiting up there, that is when that it is working.
Helen Tupper: Yeah. So, what I’ll do is I am going to put all of the questions that Jodie shared with me.  I am going to put them in a stream on the PodSheet in order that if you wish to replicate on these for your self and generate your personal success system, you’ll do this.  After which, yeah, share it with me, share it with Jodie on LinkedIn as a result of we might like to see it as effectively, and possibly we’ll create a couple of examples of success techniques that we will share with individuals to encourage them past this episode. However Jodie, thanks very, very a lot for sharing all of your insights with us in the present day, I’ve cherished chatting with you, as ever.
Jodie Cook dinner: Sure, thanks a lot.
Helen Tupper: Thanks a lot for listening to in the present day’s podcast with me and Jodie Cook dinner. We’re again subsequent week with one other episode with Sarah. For those who discovered this handy, please get in contact with us both by electronic mail, helenandsarah@squigglycareers.com, or on LinkedIn, and that is all for now. Bye everybody.
